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The Flag at Half Staff? NO!

Seeded on Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:44 AM EST
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The Flag at Half Staff? NO!

Governor Christie's decision to fly the United States flag at half staff on Saturday, February 18th, to honor the deceased entertainer Whitney Houston is drawing heated debate. According to the Governor, the flag will be lowered in memory of a “daughter of New Jersey,” just as it was for New Jersey resident Clarence Clemons, former member of Bruce Springsteen's band. Those in opposition believe the flag should not be lowered for an individual with a history of substance abuse. Regardless of the outcry against Christie's decision, however, the flag will be lowered on Saturday. After-all, in New Jersey, Whitney Houston's native state, Governor Christie is the boss. He will do what he wants to do.

Ordinarily, I support Governor Christie. In this case, I do not.

Christie rejects complaints that Houston “forfeited the good things that she did” because of her substance abuse and cautioned his critics by saying, “...there but for the grace of God go I.” In that respect, Governor Christie is correct. The good Miss Houston did is not diminished by her personal problems. Her drug abuse does not grant the public license to belittle her; at this time, she and her grieving family deserve respect and privacy – but she does not deserve to have the flag flown at half staff and neither did Clarence Clemons.

According to the United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 – The Flag, as found at www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm, the requirements for lowering the flag to half staff are clear:

“By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, or the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia and members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress.”

Last time I checked, entertainers, whether “daughters of New Jersey” or  “sons of New Jersey”, did not qualify as principal figures of the United States Government. Governor Christie's decision to fly the flag at half staff for Whitney Houston (and Clarence Clemons) illustrates our society's tendency to raise entertainers, regardless of their personal issues, to the level of worshiped heroes. Granted, Whitney Houston had a remarkable voice that enriched the musical world and drew attention to New Jersey, but no celebrity's contribution to society is on par with that of our military or government officials who represent the United States of America.

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Arieus

Chris (Piggy) Christie is overstepping his boundaries. The flags should not be raised at half-staff for Whitney Houston. Piggy Christie is only doing this for attention and political reasons.

I like Whitney, and yes, she was an awesome entertainer/singer, and that's pretty much all there is to her. She became a junkie/alcoholic at her own free will and choice, she should not be held as a role model for others. even on her last day on earth, it was documented that she was drinking excessively and mixing them with her meds.

RIP Whitney, you will be missed and I am a big fan of yours always, but Piggy Christie is absolutely wrong in wanting to fly the American flags at half-staff.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:52 AM EST
Davy-755715

A similar, but bigger situation occurred with the Beatles many years ago. Some officials in England decided that since John, Paul, etc had brought so much fame (and especially, money) into the country, they had earned the same medal which had been awarded to a number of WWII veterans. When word of this presentation got out to the vets, they sent their medals back in.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 AM EST
beej mcl

that's it christe, make a mockery of what flying the flag at half staff stands for. the flag code may not be law and the governor may have the right to fly it half staff for prominent citizens, flying it for someone who abused drugs on a regular basis and died because of it, he's out of line here.

honor whitney for her earlier career as she was a great talent, that's fine. don't however lessen the honor that flying the flag at half staff was meant to stand for.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST
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FLYNAVY1

No. The flag does not come down to half mast for Whitney. Fantastic performer, but her life nor death were in service to the country or her state. Some low ranking E1 killed in Afghanistan who's name will never make headlines would be more deserved of the honor.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:52 AM EST
Door King

What they are.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:15 AM EST
Borncorn

Wasn't the flag lowered for Elvis in his home State? Why the big kerfuffle on this one?

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:17 AM EST
Brian Ford

People are pretty selective about what they care about these days and when they care about it.

The flag is a convenient wedge issue. People care about it when it supports the things they want to support (or not support) and generally tend to not think much about it at any other time.

In that sense, it's quite a lot like the concept of patriotism.

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:29 AM EST
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AhhCrap

Despite her wonderful voice she was indeed a crackhead. Christie needs to know that crack heads are not national heroes.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM EST
Borncorn

Elvis was a huge dope fiend. Don't recall the right wingnuts getting their pants in a wad over him upon his death. Wonder why?

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST
beej mcl

borncorn, are you suggesting that it being offended by christe honoring whitney with a half staff flying of the flag marks someone as a right wingnut?

there are tons of people center and left who will see this as an affront to the meaning of the ceremony. i'm just left of center and definately find this to be just plain wrong and it belittles the meaning for those who deserve it.

do you find something wrong with the idea of people center and left respecting the flag, what it stands for and the ceremonies surrounding it? are those left and center not allowed to be proud of what we are supposed to stand for and want the credibility of our nation to return to what it once was.

it was wrong with elvis and it is wrong with whitney. this is an issue, not of right or left, but of what this ceremony was intended for and how it is misused. it was wrong then and it is wrong now.

oh, did i mention i'm left of center. yeah that's right i did. but pants in an uproar, no just disgusted with the misuse of our flag.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST
Neish1920

Clemmons had his own drug issues. Google it.

    #5.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:48 PM EST
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    Jean-3392470

    Memorialize Whitney Houston, yes. Deify her, no

      Reply#6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:15 AM EST
      MN American Mom

      I loved Clemmons and Houston but lets face it, they were drug addicts not role models and lived a very lavish lifestyle of thier choosing.

      The flag at half mast should be used only for our fallen military.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:20 AM EST
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